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Honda didn't see fit to add a seat to the 2022 Super Cub and that's a real shame. The matte dark grey is nice but you can tell it will collect dust. I still want one. I have a Trail 125 and I think the semi automatic gearbox is fantastic! C'mon Honda! Bring the light grey/ blue one!

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I think Honda has a real hit with the 125cc motor and all the bikes they put it in. Now if they would just make it a 150 and 65MPH+ top speed it would be a home run.
 

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I think Honda has a real hit with the 125cc motor and all the bikes they put it in. Now if they would just make it a 150 and 65MPH+ top speed it would be a home run.
I agree that a 150 cc would be great. There was a rumor last summer that Honda would make the Trail 125 a Trail 150. It didn't happen and I can see why. There are too many countries that have a 125 cc license type. A 150 cc would obviously change that.I also think Honda is pumping as many 125 cc as possible to try and curb electric engines.
 

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I agree that a 150 cc would be great. There was a rumor last summer that Honda would make the Trail 125 a Trail 150. It didn't happen and I can see why. There are too many countries that have a 125 cc license type. A 150 cc would obviously change that.I also think Honda is pumping as many 125 cc as possible to try and curb electric engines.
I can see where Honda has little incentive to make a 150 when they can't keep up with the demand for 125s. But, they made the PCX a 150 and sell a 125 version in countries with license restrictions. Maybe they will do that once they catch up with the demand for the 125. Or maybe some other manufacturers will see the success Honda is having with the 125 and try to one up them with a 150.

Are you listening Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha?
 

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I can see where Honda has little incentive to make a 150 when they can't keep up with the demand for 125s. But, they made the PCX a 150 and sell a 125 version in countries with license restrictions. Maybe they will do that once they catch up with the demand for the 125. Or maybe some other manufacturers will see the success Honda is having with the 125 and try to one up them with a 150.

Are you listening Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha?
Because you are citing the PCX, I am going to use Italy as an example. They have both the PCX 125 and PCX 160. Licensing isn't the same (European law - not Italian). While Italy has a market for both, it's a special case. There is no PCX 160 in other European countries (to my knowledge). Vespa does the same thing. They sell the 125 cc in most countries and the 150 cc in a few ones. We are lucky we get the 150 cc. At least someone at Vespa USA had some sort of sense.

Honda and Suzuki (may be Yamaha too?) sell a 150 cc air cooled underbone in Asia (primarily Thailand and Malaysia). Why we get what we get in the US is beyond me. It's not like anything is manufactured or assembled here. It's also not a case of getting bike from a single country either because we get bikes manufactured in Thailand, Japan, and now Mexico with the NAVI.
 

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Each country is slightly different but the motorcycle licensing rules in most of Europe are generally as follows.
Up to 125cc displacement is A1 or small motorcycle license. There is also limit to power (about 15hp) and power to weight ratio. In some countries you sort of get A1 license with your drivers license (B), but have to activate it by certified training.
2 years after getting your A1 license you can take your A2 license. That gives you license to ride up to about 40 hp bikes.
2 years after getting your A2 license(or over 24 years old) you can take your A license . That gives you license to ride any bike.
In some countries up to 125cc bikes are not allowed on highways.

It's so funny when people say. "125 is good, but if they'd only made it 160, I'd be interested." Then it's "160 is good, but if they'd only made it 250 I'd be interested". Then it's "250 is good, but if they'd only made it 300 I'd be interested". Then it's "300 is good, but if they'd only made it 500 I'd be interested". :hide
 

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The problem with 125 and 150cc bikes in this country is they are just a bit too slow for traffic in many places. I'm not talking about riding on the interstate highways. I had a 155cc Yamaha Smax which had 14.8 HP. It was fast enough to ride most places and even some interstates. It topped out around 73 MPH. The problem is that most of the 125/150cc bikes we get fall well short of 15 HP and top out around 60 with a few good for around 65. Throw in a hill and they are even slower. I'd be happy to get some of the 15HP 125's you get in Europe. We get Groms with less than 10 HP.
 

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The problem with 125 and 150cc bikes in this country is they are just a bit too slow for traffic in many places. I'm not talking about riding on the interstate highways. I had a 155cc Yamaha Smax which had 14.8 HP. It was fast enough to ride most places and even some interstates. It topped out around 73 MPH. The problem is that most of the 125/150cc bikes we get fall well short of 15 HP and top out around 60 with a few good for around 65. Throw in a hill and they are even slower. I'd be happy to get some of the 15HP 125's you get in Europe. We get Groms with less than 10 HP.
Ive seen two strokes make 15hp from 125cc. :confused
 

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Ive seen two strokes make 15hp from 125cc. :confused
Considering that some 600cc four stroke fours make 120+ HP, a 125 tuned the same way would make 25 HP. The 125's we get here on the US are generally tuned for 9-10 HP. If you go back to the 60s and 70s we did get some small bikes that made pretty good hp. At one time Europe got some 125cc 2 stroke street bikes tuned up to around 25 HP or more. Because of tiered licensing they are restricted to 15 HP or you couldn't ride it on a 125cc license.
 

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