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Hi folks, this is a thread inspired in large part by how much I appreciated being able to browse the various other build threads done. This will be, and I cannot possibly emphasize this enough, MUCH WORSE IN EVERY WAY than all of those. I was typing out all the people whose builds this will be worse than, but I'm sure anyone reading this will have read their threads and, well, come along for the ride and watch me screw things up left right and center.
Let's begin, shall we? I have an '04 savana I use to haul motorcycles to the trails that's rusting away and also may or may not have a headgasket issue. That's bad. But what's worse is that every time I put the bikes away I scrape my hands or bumpy my head or hit my shin. It works, but it's frustrating. So I'm doing the American thing and instead of fixing it, I'm just buying a new one. Well, new to me anyway. It's easily the worst time in my memory to buy a used car generally and specifically to buy a used van so for the past few months I've been watching prices and seeing where the market goes as I decided between a transit, a sprinter and an econoline/express wheelchair van with the high rear doors. For whatever reason, sprinter prices started coming down around here while transit prices have stayed sky high. I had mixed feelings about the sprinters as they seem to either be fine forever (if you delete the def) or you end up spending 8k to replace six mercedes badges and a random sensor. Also, according to the internet, if the sprinters so much as see a puddle of anything other than genuine mercedes oil life-flighted straight from germany, they instantly bursts into flames and you die.
In the sprinter's favor was that I wanted a crew van and transits only offered crew versions starting in 2020 and I'm not spending $60k + buildout for something that I'm going to use less than 30 times a year. You can just take out the rearmost seats and put a motorcycle in a passenger van but I didn't want to deal with windows again. Plus, did I mention the transits are still expensive?
Which is how I found myself taking a ride out to Pennsylvania to pick up my new van. A 158" wheelbase 2005 T1N Sprinter 3500 with 190k on it. The engine that is (again, according to the internet) so reliable that it makes folks think sprinters are still good. Based on my track record, it should last nine months.
Please join me on this wonderful journey with my first diesel engine as I go through a 16 year old van and fix what's broken (maybe), explore the genius that is mercedes engineering (probably) and accidentally fuck up fixing the paint job (definitely).
I'm hoping to get three things out of this thread.
1. Accountability. It's tough to find time to go work on the van and I'm hoping that posting about it will help me be a little selfish and carve out time to work on it.
2. Input. When I'm about to do something dumb, I have faith that folks will tell me.
3. Just a show of appreciation for everyone else's build threads that I've enjoyed reading.
Initial To Do List Prior to Motovan Conversion:
New radio
Right speaker doesn’t work
Rear left door handle
Replace dash vents
Diagnose and fix air conditioning
Rust - outside spots, any underneath and then the spot under the windshield
Rust - interior front (if any)
Rust - interior rear (if any)
Paint - rear doors at least
Wheel rust/cleanup
Oil leak? Maybe just overfilled? Clean engine and watch it, level is currently good
Coolant leak, if any
Right rear brake rotor
Emergency brake doesn't engage enough
Replace glow plugs
Replace glow plug module
Make sure that fixes the CEL – P0675(673)(672)(671) – glow plug circuit and P0380 glow plug heater circuit A
Replace passenger seatbelt and one bench seatbelt
Replace air bag clock spring
Make sure that fixes SRS light
Clean headlights
Fix keyless entry - key repair? -and get a second key
Remove governor - requires tune
Replace intake air temp sensor
Confirm fixes P0071 ambient air temp sensor range/performance
Reupholster seats and bench
New driver seatbelt buckle cover
Tighten sliding door latch/handle from inside
Replace windshield wipers
Install turbo resonator eliminator kit
It looks so long when I type it all out.Oh no, it's growing!
Post-Fixing Plans (I'm going to update links as I think of/link new stuff I want):
My plan is to make a separate garage in the rear of the van behind the bench seat. Part of the wall will basically zag back so that there's a bed above and behind the bench and then I would like to make that fold out with either supports or hooks running up to the ribs in the ceiling so I can sleep two on it. Then find space for sleeping one more - maybe behind the crew seat on the floor.
Swivel seats?
Soundproofing and insulation. Either closed cell foam or insulation (thinsulate? havelock?) from the front seats back. Dynamat/kilmat all over the floor in the front.
Plywood floor using old OEM one as a template. Coin flooring on top and 2ft up the walls in the garage. Silicone gaps so I can hose it out if necessary and gas/oil spills can be cleaned easily. Maybe stable matting instead for the garage area?
ARB awning + gutter brackets from VW vans
Backup camera? I had one on the old van before it crapped out and I don't think I need it but this one is a little longer so maybe it's a good idea?
To consider:
Where does the gear go? Helmet hooks. Hangers for jerseys and pants? Boot rack for drying?
Where do the tools go? Consolidate all to toughsystem boxes I have?
20g+ water tank for washing bikes? Possible to mount under van? Use the spare tire space and put the spare on the back door?
Fridge? Small cooler at first.
Overnight air conditioning. Maybe batteries charged by the alternator as we will never be using it for longer than a long weekend.
Pictures:
As it sat when I went to buy it.
Two-person crew bench - the bed will eventually go above and behind those. In the meantime, seating for a kid and a dog.
The wrench came with the van. It's how you open the rear-left door because the PO took out the latch for "reasons".
Lightly dappled with rust.
Mostly surface. This is the worst of it. And the wheels are a thing. At least it has new tires all around.
That is not the factory radio. He had the factory radio though. But, it's terrible so no thanks. I'd like to get something with carplay or similar but there's a lot of other things to tackle first. This works, you just have to remember to push it back in every 20 miles or so.
Five cylinders of fury
I rode out to get it and put the bike in the back for the drive home. Made it all the way until literally a quarter mile from my apartment before I had to swerve to avoid someone who unexpectedly wanted to share my exit lane at the last second and... the bike tipped over and spilled gas everywhere. I guess it was good to have a reminder to seal up the garage area.
Parked in its new home and the location where all work will take place, the streets of NYC. I'm sure the cops won't mind.
These mirrors are awesome.
Look at the paint on those rear doors. Not sure how well it shows up, but it's textured. Oof. Also please don't steal my identity using only the license plate number. Thank you.
Initial Impression:
I love it so much. This thing is the beefiest giant tin box of a truck I've ever driven that's not actually a box truck. The savana 1500 definitely felt all of the weight of being loaded down and even with new shocks and extra springs in the back it really bounced and swayed as it went down the road. The dual rear wheels really make the sprinter feel planted in the corners which is very nice and it handled 500lbs of motorcycle like it wasn't there so that's promising for when I really load it down. The motor generally seems pretty simple (famous last words, I know, I know). Catastrophic failure comes from the injectors and this one doesn't have any sign of "black death" - leaking around the injector seals that means at best they need to be replaced - and per the cap dance test there's no blowby at all. The diesel motor is a delight to drive and I love the sound of the turbo spooling up. Maybe it'll get old when it's not new to me anymore but so far it's great. The governor at 82mph is frustrating though. It pulls like crazy right up until 82 and then... just no more. I thought only NCV3 and newer were governed but apparently not. The only way to get it removed is to get a tune so we'll see how that goes. It's definitely been a work van and is a little beat up but I'm hoping I bought it before that inflection point where everything is just entirely down hill. It would be nice to fix it up and then be able to get all my desire to tinker with stuff and buy shiny things out of my system every year by doing stuff like buying a roof rack or fancy new headlights.
Let's begin, shall we? I have an '04 savana I use to haul motorcycles to the trails that's rusting away and also may or may not have a headgasket issue. That's bad. But what's worse is that every time I put the bikes away I scrape my hands or bumpy my head or hit my shin. It works, but it's frustrating. So I'm doing the American thing and instead of fixing it, I'm just buying a new one. Well, new to me anyway. It's easily the worst time in my memory to buy a used car generally and specifically to buy a used van so for the past few months I've been watching prices and seeing where the market goes as I decided between a transit, a sprinter and an econoline/express wheelchair van with the high rear doors. For whatever reason, sprinter prices started coming down around here while transit prices have stayed sky high. I had mixed feelings about the sprinters as they seem to either be fine forever (if you delete the def) or you end up spending 8k to replace six mercedes badges and a random sensor. Also, according to the internet, if the sprinters so much as see a puddle of anything other than genuine mercedes oil life-flighted straight from germany, they instantly bursts into flames and you die.
In the sprinter's favor was that I wanted a crew van and transits only offered crew versions starting in 2020 and I'm not spending $60k + buildout for something that I'm going to use less than 30 times a year. You can just take out the rearmost seats and put a motorcycle in a passenger van but I didn't want to deal with windows again. Plus, did I mention the transits are still expensive?
Which is how I found myself taking a ride out to Pennsylvania to pick up my new van. A 158" wheelbase 2005 T1N Sprinter 3500 with 190k on it. The engine that is (again, according to the internet) so reliable that it makes folks think sprinters are still good. Based on my track record, it should last nine months.

Please join me on this wonderful journey with my first diesel engine as I go through a 16 year old van and fix what's broken (maybe), explore the genius that is mercedes engineering (probably) and accidentally fuck up fixing the paint job (definitely).
I'm hoping to get three things out of this thread.
1. Accountability. It's tough to find time to go work on the van and I'm hoping that posting about it will help me be a little selfish and carve out time to work on it.
2. Input. When I'm about to do something dumb, I have faith that folks will tell me.
3. Just a show of appreciation for everyone else's build threads that I've enjoyed reading.
Initial To Do List Prior to Motovan Conversion:
New radio
Rear left door handle
Replace dash vents
Diagnose and fix air conditioning
Rust - outside spots, any underneath and then the spot under the windshield
Rust - interior rear (if any)
Paint - rear doors at least
Wheel rust/cleanup
Oil leak? Maybe just overfilled? Clean engine and watch it, level is currently good
Coolant leak, if any
Right rear brake rotor
Replace glow plugs
Replace glow plug module
Make sure that fixes the CEL – P0675(673)(672)(671) – glow plug circuit and P0380 glow plug heater circuit A
Replace passenger seatbelt and one bench seatbelt
Replace air bag clock spring
Make sure that fixes SRS light
Clean headlights
Fix keyless entry - key repair? -
Remove governor - requires tune
Confirm fixes P0071 ambient air temp sensor range/performance
Reupholster seats and bench
New driver seatbelt buckle cover
Tighten sliding door latch/handle from inside
Install turbo resonator eliminator kit
It looks so long when I type it all out.
Post-Fixing Plans (I'm going to update links as I think of/link new stuff I want):
My plan is to make a separate garage in the rear of the van behind the bench seat. Part of the wall will basically zag back so that there's a bed above and behind the bench and then I would like to make that fold out with either supports or hooks running up to the ribs in the ceiling so I can sleep two on it. Then find space for sleeping one more - maybe behind the crew seat on the floor.
Swivel seats?
Soundproofing and insulation. Either closed cell foam or insulation (thinsulate? havelock?) from the front seats back. Dynamat/kilmat all over the floor in the front.
Plywood floor using old OEM one as a template. Coin flooring on top and 2ft up the walls in the garage. Silicone gaps so I can hose it out if necessary and gas/oil spills can be cleaned easily. Maybe stable matting instead for the garage area?
ARB awning + gutter brackets from VW vans
Backup camera? I had one on the old van before it crapped out and I don't think I need it but this one is a little longer so maybe it's a good idea?
To consider:
Where does the gear go? Helmet hooks. Hangers for jerseys and pants? Boot rack for drying?
Where do the tools go? Consolidate all to toughsystem boxes I have?
20g+ water tank for washing bikes? Possible to mount under van? Use the spare tire space and put the spare on the back door?
Fridge? Small cooler at first.
Overnight air conditioning. Maybe batteries charged by the alternator as we will never be using it for longer than a long weekend.
Pictures:
As it sat when I went to buy it.
Two-person crew bench - the bed will eventually go above and behind those. In the meantime, seating for a kid and a dog.
The wrench came with the van. It's how you open the rear-left door because the PO took out the latch for "reasons".
Lightly dappled with rust.
Mostly surface. This is the worst of it. And the wheels are a thing. At least it has new tires all around.
That is not the factory radio. He had the factory radio though. But, it's terrible so no thanks. I'd like to get something with carplay or similar but there's a lot of other things to tackle first. This works, you just have to remember to push it back in every 20 miles or so.
Five cylinders of fury
I rode out to get it and put the bike in the back for the drive home. Made it all the way until literally a quarter mile from my apartment before I had to swerve to avoid someone who unexpectedly wanted to share my exit lane at the last second and... the bike tipped over and spilled gas everywhere. I guess it was good to have a reminder to seal up the garage area.
Parked in its new home and the location where all work will take place, the streets of NYC. I'm sure the cops won't mind.
These mirrors are awesome.
Look at the paint on those rear doors. Not sure how well it shows up, but it's textured. Oof. Also please don't steal my identity using only the license plate number. Thank you.
Initial Impression:
I love it so much. This thing is the beefiest giant tin box of a truck I've ever driven that's not actually a box truck. The savana 1500 definitely felt all of the weight of being loaded down and even with new shocks and extra springs in the back it really bounced and swayed as it went down the road. The dual rear wheels really make the sprinter feel planted in the corners which is very nice and it handled 500lbs of motorcycle like it wasn't there so that's promising for when I really load it down. The motor generally seems pretty simple (famous last words, I know, I know). Catastrophic failure comes from the injectors and this one doesn't have any sign of "black death" - leaking around the injector seals that means at best they need to be replaced - and per the cap dance test there's no blowby at all. The diesel motor is a delight to drive and I love the sound of the turbo spooling up. Maybe it'll get old when it's not new to me anymore but so far it's great. The governor at 82mph is frustrating though. It pulls like crazy right up until 82 and then... just no more. I thought only NCV3 and newer were governed but apparently not. The only way to get it removed is to get a tune so we'll see how that goes. It's definitely been a work van and is a little beat up but I'm hoping I bought it before that inflection point where everything is just entirely down hill. It would be nice to fix it up and then be able to get all my desire to tinker with stuff and buy shiny things out of my system every year by doing stuff like buying a roof rack or fancy new headlights.
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